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Nov 8, 2018 11:16 PM

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AbuHumaid said:
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I ask for reads, you only provide scum and they are pretty shaky. Rather than directly accusing them of anything, you are unsure, and so your read on them looks like shade. ("They are weird, I don't really know what to make of them - but they are scummy.") On top of it, it's pretty obvious that their claims/accusations are not meant to be taken seriously (Bajar has already stated this). Also. Considering how you pride yourself in your ability to read me (and I am total agreement with it), I would have expected you to give a read me or at least comment on me.
They're not really scum reads tbh, as I'm uncertain about them, like for Bajar, how do I expect me to take his #152 seriously, with the caps and all the question marks? Then when I tell him to get serious he votes me without an explanation, like.... What? Are you joking or not?
As for Tainted he really should stop being a clown, because that "joking" is a good way to hide behind as a scum in early game, the only reason I'm not going after him is because I've seen him do this in some games before, but that doesn't mean he should get a pass just like that tbh.
I think I make it obvious enough when I'm fluffing though lol and they should be taken as nai unless I just fluff the whole game but I'm still posting substance here and they're real thoughts.
Nov 8, 2018 11:18 PM

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RE said:
AbuHumaid said:
@RE also I knew you'd mention this, I'm not giving you a read yet because your scum game have gotten better and I got more wary, I won't be hasty in my judgement, you're gravely mistaken if you think I'll just suck up to you without observing your behavior patiently first.
WHAT
NO WAY
NOOOO WAAAAY

You think I'm obvious as scum regardless xD
But if you are town and serious, well, thanks xD
(I disagree wholeheartedly though)
lol I think RE is town
star looks fine too
Nov 8, 2018 11:24 PM

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@Jormandur your name sounds familiar? Idk where
Nov 8, 2018 11:55 PM

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Phraze said:
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I was thinking of this post:
But upon rereading it, I'm not sure if she was talking about the TPR role at all.

posted that since Jormangur rvs'd me on implications of being witch. how would he know if the witch was bad or not? if witch was in play tho, then yeah they're likely tpr with the same explanation (but I didn't think that far when posting flavor question xD).


It was a joke.
Nov 9, 2018 12:03 AM

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Tainted said:
@Jormandur your name sounds familiar? Idk where


It's a misspelling of Jormungandr, the snake that surrounds the world in Norse mythology.
Nov 9, 2018 1:02 AM

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🍧 Vote Count 1.3 (Unchanged) 🍧


Karote [2] 🎂 yurkin, Kit
yurkin [2] 🎂 Karote, Tainted
AbuHumaid [2] 🎂 ForgotToFlush, Bajar


Phraze 🎂 Jormandur
ForgotToFlush 🎂 ironace
Riku 🎂 RE
starpendle 🎂 Phraze

Not Voting: AbuHumaid, Astros, Riku, Kiiruma, starpendle 

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Nov 9, 2018 1:17 AM

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hmmm so i decided to wait a while before posting inorder for some content to get out, but all i get is 5 pages of nothing >_>
Usually game explodes from rvs and people start sorting things out soon enough
in this game is fluff/past games/and nothing that can move the game forward(thats just how i feel)
As for who has given me scum vibes so far-This is just a feeling but abu seems off. My meta read on him is old but from what i recall his town game is quite good. HE is no nonsense and his points are valid. However, i feel nothing like that abu here. Thats just how i feel right now, maybe that will change once the game moves forward.
As for others, time will tell.
Nov 9, 2018 1:32 AM

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Wouldn't lynch:

Bajar - Lots of TWTBAW, then
ForgotToFlush - Solid analysis, especially in the 70s-80s.
Karote - Okay. Might change.
RE - Actively hunting.
Tainted - Actively hunting.

No Opinion:

Kiiruma - No content.
ironace - Very few posts, but decent.
Riku - No content.
starpendle - I don't get anything from them.

Would lynch:

AbuHumaid - Defensive, not hunting, appears fake.
Astros - Awful posts when around, and not around much.
Kit - Odd defense, hasn't posted much, very awkward posts.
Phraze - Lost? Not trying? Trying to not try? Something is off.
yurkin - Doesn't do much of anything, then posts 199.

Scum Team Guess:

Kit + yurkin + Astros + AbuHumaid
Nov 9, 2018 1:34 AM

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Who is @grrr and why did he post here?
Nov 9, 2018 1:45 AM

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Jormandur said:
Scum Team Guess:

Kit + yurkin + Astros + AbuHumaid
Damn! I don't entirely disagree.

In fact whatever vibe from yurkin I got from her first post faded. (Neutral with a bad vibe.)

Who are you???
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Might go to sleep soon.

vote: Astros

This is fine - I can still see Abu being within his town range and I think if he continues posting his alignment will become clear. If not Astros, I'd go for Kit, but I'll give her some breathing room (lol).

As for the reasoning, in Bob's Burgers, Phraze described Astros' scum game as searching for individual posts to shade (or something like that). His only read-related post falls directly into that. His analysis is usually more objective than that as well.
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Jormandur said:
Who is @grrr and why did he post here?
Our resident troll
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Nov 9, 2018 2:02 AM

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ironace said:
hmmm so i decided to wait a while before posting inorder for some content to get out, but all i get is 5 pages of nothing >_>
Usually game explodes from rvs and people start sorting things out soon enough
in this game is fluff/past games/and nothing that can move the game forward(thats just how i feel)
As for who has given me scum vibes so far-This is just a feeling but abu seems off. My meta read on him is old but from what i recall his town game is quite good. HE is no nonsense and his points are valid. However, i feel nothing like that abu here. Thats just how i feel right now, maybe that will change once the game moves forward.
As for others, time will tell.
I thought I'm the only one
Abu telling me not to joke around seems off for me
Like I just didn't voice it out cause it's been awhile too since I've played with him
Nov 9, 2018 2:04 AM

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Jormandur said:
Tainted said:
@Jormandur your name sounds familiar? Idk where


It's a misspelling of Jormungandr, the snake that surrounds the world in Norse mythology.
prob a user with that name then
Nov 9, 2018 2:08 AM

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Jormandur said:
Wouldn't lynch:

Bajar - Lots of TWTBAW, then
ForgotToFlush - Solid analysis, especially in the 70s-80s.
Karote - Okay. Might change.
RE - Actively hunting.
Tainted - Actively hunting.

No Opinion:

Kiiruma - No content.
ironace - Very few posts, but decent.
Riku - No content.
starpendle - I don't get anything from them.

Would lynch:

AbuHumaid - Defensive, not hunting, appears fake.
Astros - Awful posts when around, and not around much.
Kit - Odd defense, hasn't posted much, very awkward posts.
Phraze - Lost? Not trying? Trying to not try? Something is off.
yurkin - Doesn't do much of anything, then posts 199.

Scum Team Guess:

Kit + yurkin + Astros + AbuHumaid
this is somewhat my list right now
Seems pretty easy to label people right now since theres not much post yet
Nov 9, 2018 2:18 AM

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RE said:
Jormandur said:
Who is @grrr and why did he post here?
Our resident troll


Excuse me, person with smiley girls collection !?!? I deny that label !!! Next time I will sue you.
Nov 9, 2018 2:23 AM

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Jormandur said:
Wouldn't lynch:

Bajar - Lots of TWTBAW, then
ForgotToFlush - Solid analysis, especially in the 70s-80s.
Karote - Okay. Might change.
RE - Actively hunting.
Tainted - Actively hunting.

No Opinion:

Kiiruma - No content.
ironace - Very few posts, but decent.
Riku - No content.
starpendle - I don't get anything from them.

Would lynch:

AbuHumaid - Defensive, not hunting, appears fake.
Astros - Awful posts when around, and not around much.
Kit - Odd defense, hasn't posted much, very awkward posts.
Phraze - Lost? Not trying? Trying to not try? Something is off.
yurkin - Doesn't do much of anything, then posts 199.

Scum Team Guess:

Kit + yurkin + Astros + AbuHumaid

If #199 bothers you why didnt you said anything?
That seemed like your catch up with the thread, and you were turning your attention to something useless. You know in answer to "what's weird about it" you'll get theory talk.
Nov 9, 2018 2:31 AM

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Solid analisys, probably missed it out will go back to look it up
Nov 9, 2018 2:42 AM

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@Jormandur curious what you found as solid analysis

Also can't agree Abu seems fake.

Hmm now that I look at this this read list seem to be jokish.
Nov 9, 2018 4:37 AM

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Eeeeeek. Already got quite a few posts to catch up on!
I'll make a catchup post in a bit, internet kept DC'ing last night after Uni :|
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Nov 9, 2018 5:58 AM

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starpendle said:


Wait what did you consider nothing? His post seems reasonable as of right now, not really spam. He posted a lot all at once but it's null to me since I know it's a habit from MU.

Kind of a weird return post after your entrance.
Their suspicion based on activity alone. They singled out those who made a single post without an RVS as suspect without much reasoning or explanation.

#99 Starts with this post. Pointing out such behavior is weird with no basis. Activity is usually NAI.

#107 Can't tell if they're serious, but three people sharing the same post style warrants a vote. I know it's early game, but still.

#109 The post that solidifies the something out of nothing. I can attest that things other than being Mafia will keep you from the game. Like work for example. In my previous game Bob's Burgers I had to contend with work as well while playing. Ultimately it's NAI due to the fact a lot can account for absence or general lack of posts. Hell, I could be feeling ill or a relative just died. It's hard to know, and typically from my experience activity is the last thing town should be considering heavily, and after all better alternatives have been checked.

It surprises me to a degree that anyone from that game would suspect me now due to the same play. However, despite not having definitive proof of my alignment I'll confidently say this is something out of nothing. You're free to believe otherwise or think I'm Mafia caught by a slip of some sort, but you will only get burned.


Not spam?


Why is it weird? Elaborate.





Nov 9, 2018 6:22 AM

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yurkin said:

Hmm now that I look at this this read list seem to be jokish.
It's certainly vague and inconsistent.
Nov 9, 2018 6:30 AM

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Page 1: Some RVS, some discussion of numbers. Only weird thing is some things Bajar said, but I'm not sure if that's due to being new here or whether being fairly scummy.
Page 2: More discussion about potential setup. A bit of comparison between NAI, Town and Gambler's Fallacy.
Page 3: Bajar continues to do nothing except be extremely weird. How was Karote being scummy? However there seems to be some small reads already and nothing seems particularly off yet.
Page 4: FTF finally posts something that I find particularly interesting, about 1 posters and Jor reacts in a way which I find to be quite normal. Considering I haven't seen them before, is it possible they've planned this out? RE commented on Yurkin too but from what I've seen it seems pretty accurate.
Page 5: RE super confused me for a few minutes. So it was an original scumread but now it's a townread? Yet you're not really questioning Jor. Also, Jor's reads are interesting but they don't see scum hiding in the non-posters? That's pretty interesting
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grrr said:
RE said:
Our resident troll


Excuse me, person with smiley girls collection !?!? I deny that label !!! Next time I will sue you.
How dare you involve them in this.
Astros said:
#109 The post that solidifies the something out of nothing. I can attest that things other than being Mafia will keep you from the game. Like work for example. In my previous game Bob's Burgers I had to contend with work as well while playing. Ultimately it's NAI due to the fact a lot can account for absence or general lack of posts. Hell, I could be feeling ill or a relative just died. It's hard to know, and typically from my experience activity is the last thing town should be considering heavily, and after all better alternatives have been checked.
I don't know why you linked this post? The only post where I discuss activity as cause for suspicion is when I say I would have expected Kit, starpendle, and maybe ironace to have posted more by now.
It surprises me to a degree that anyone from that game would suspect me now due to the same play. However, despite not having definitive proof of my alignment I'll confidently say this is something out of nothing. You're free to believe otherwise or think I'm Mafia caught by a slip of some sort, but you will only get burned.
You seem overly defensive. You should note that my vote on you has nothing to do with activity but the content of the first post you made. I made this clear when I voted you.
Kiiruma said:
Page 5: RE super confused me for a few minutes. So it was an original scumread but now it's a townread? Yet you're not really questioning Jor. Also, Jor's reads are interesting but they don't see scum hiding in the non-posters? That's pretty interesting
I never scumread Jor?
I agree though.
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Nov 9, 2018 8:14 AM

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wifi cut ut at home so i'll update from campus later
Nov 9, 2018 8:23 AM

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Kiiruma said:
Page 4: FTF finally posts something that I find particularly interesting, about 1 posters and Jor reacts in a way which I find to be quite normal. Considering I haven't seen them before, is it possible they've planned this out? RE commented on Yurkin too but from what I've seen it seems pretty accurate.
I'm not sure I understand the bolded.

Are you saying the interaction between FTF/Jor could be w/w? What would not having seen them before have to do with anything?
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Nov 9, 2018 8:28 AM

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Astros said:
Perhaps you could argue their content is not purely spam, and I'd agree. However, their frequency is certainly spam tier.


#77&#78: Could have been included in a single post. As well as #96&#97, #103&#104, and #115&#116.

They openly admit they're spamming with their posts at #85 yet do nothing about it afterward. In a smaller game it would be more forgivable, but with this many players it will become a real pain soon enough. As I've come to known in past games with people who post like this. Replying to any and all posts when catching up, without taking the time to read the rest of the thread where their questions may have already been answered.
About this - I think it's fair commentary and he should explain why it's weird because I don't think it's uncommon for this to happen on MU either. However on MU (the site FTF plays on) it's not unusual to post in such frequency. I'd find catch up posts that reply consecutively more scummy.
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Nov 9, 2018 8:33 AM

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RE said:
I never scumread Jor?
I agree though.

I mean as in you scumread Yurkin for their first post but now don't?
Yet the way it was worded it was like you was partially agreeing with Jor's reads so I was wondering why you didn't object to their Yurkin read.

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I'm not sure I understand the bolded.

Are you saying the interaction between FTF/Jor could be w/w? What would not having seen them before have to do with anything?

I am indeed saying their interaction could be W/W. However not having seen them before means I don't know how far ahead they'd have planned or even if they'd have thought of doing this. It makes it really difficult to justify a read on them
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Kiiruma said:
RE said:
I never scumread Jor?
I agree though.

I mean as in you scumread Yurkin for their first post but now don't?
Yet the way it was worded it was like you was partially agreeing with Jor's reads so I was wondering why you didn't object to their Yurkin read.
It's the opposite! I called yurkin town for a one-word post (lol). However after recent posts from them the feeling faded. My bad vibe is likely paranoia at this time, but they are back at a neutral.
RE said:
I'm not sure I understand the bolded.

Are you saying the interaction between FTF/Jor could be w/w? What would not having seen them before have to do with anything?

I am indeed saying their interaction could be W/W. However not having seen them before means I don't know how far ahead they'd have planned or even if they'd have thought of doing this. It makes it really difficult to justify a read on them
Why does that interaction in particular suggest W/W?
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RE said:
It's the opposite! I called yurkin town for a one-word post (lol). However after recent posts from them the feeling faded. My bad vibe is likely paranoia at this time, but they are back at a neutral.

Now then, this is quite a problem. Your read changed over a page? Unless I am being totally foolish, you was saying that they're like Town!Yurkin due to style at the top of page 4. Yet now they've neut read? By neut read do you mean Null or as in 3PR?

RE said:
Why does that interaction in particular suggest W/W?

It just feels like it's been planned out and the only way they could do that is if they're neighbours (Which they haven't claimed) or if they're both scum. I don't see town doing that sort of interaction
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Kiiruma said:
RE said:
It's the opposite! I called yurkin town for a one-word post (lol). However after recent posts from them the feeling faded. My bad vibe is likely paranoia at this time, but they are back at a neutral.

Now then, this is quite a problem. Your read changed over a page? Unless I am being totally foolish, you was saying that they're like Town!Yurkin due to style at the top of page 4. Yet now they've neut read? By neut read do you mean Null or as in 3PR?
Considering I only read them off one word, I don't think the problem lies so much in the read changing but the fact I felt compelled to read them off one word in the first place!
Yes, town!yurkin due to me visualizing her mindset in her reply to Abu. However in her newer posts, there was a lack of that edginess. I probably shouldn't expect it in every post of hers, but it was enough for me to think that my townread of her was premature.
RE said:
Why does that interaction in particular suggest W/W?

It just feels like it's been planned out and the only way they could do that is if they're neighbours (Which they haven't claimed) or if they're both scum. I don't see town doing that sort of interaction
Just so we're clear, this is the interaction you are talking about:
Jormandur said:
ForgotToFlush said:
anyway reads
not much to be learnt
only thing that irks me is like
the people who only posted once
like not zero posters
one posters
what's up with that it's so weird


What is weird about it?
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Tainted said:
but the witches ate muffin..
@Phraze did you just role flavor slip??
we all know the witch ate muffin, but does the story make her evil yet?
and nah, I don't like claiming to begin with -
when pushed, I only soft or half-claim...or not at all. thought u knew that by now? hmm..
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Jormandur said:
Wouldn't lynch:

Bajar - Lots of TWTBAW, then
ForgotToFlush - Solid analysis, especially in the 70s-80s.
Karote - Okay. Might change.
RE - Actively hunting.
Tainted - Actively hunting.

No Opinion:

Kiiruma - No content.
ironace - Very few posts, but decent.
Riku - No content.
starpendle - I don't get anything from them.

Would lynch:

AbuHumaid - Defensive, not hunting, appears fake.
Astros - Awful posts when around, and not around much.
Kit - Odd defense, hasn't posted much, very awkward posts.
Phraze - Lost? Not trying? Trying to not try? Something is off.
yurkin - Doesn't do much of anything, then posts 199.

Scum Team Guess:

Kit + yurkin + Astros + AbuHumaid
Why is Karote so high? I'm not against with some in your lynch list, but I'm curious how you're finding content out of Karote's and compared to those and me in your no opinion list.

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starpendle said:


Wait what did you consider nothing? His post seems reasonable as of right now, not really spam. He posted a lot all at once but it's null to me since I know it's a habit from MU.

Kind of a weird return post after your entrance.
Their suspicion based on activity alone. They singled out those who made a single post without an RVS as suspect without much reasoning or explanation.

#99 Starts with this post. Pointing out such behavior is weird with no basis. Activity is usually NAI.

#107 Can't tell if they're serious, but three people sharing the same post style warrants a vote. I know it's early game, but still.

#109 The post that solidifies the something out of nothing. I can attest that things other than being Mafia will keep you from the game. Like work for example. In my previous game Bob's Burgers I had to contend with work as well while playing. Ultimately it's NAI due to the fact a lot can account for absence or general lack of posts. Hell, I could be feeling ill or a relative just died. It's hard to know, and typically from my experience activity is the last thing town should be considering heavily, and after all better alternatives have been checked.

It surprises me to a degree that anyone from that game would suspect me now due to the same play. However, despite not having definitive proof of my alignment I'll confidently say this is something out of nothing. You're free to believe otherwise or think I'm Mafia caught by a slip of some sort, but you will only get burned.


Not spam?


Why is it weird? Elaborate.





I find it weird mainly because your first post was joke post to go along with mine, but then you show up afterward to being dead set to lynch Flush, not really saying much otherwise. I thought Flush's reads were fine since there was so little to go on to scumhunt at the time, though I feel like he should be the one replying to the rest.

Also I don't really know you or most of the people here, so I have no idea what your previous play is. And what does RVS mean? Been seeing that term brought up.
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starpendle said:
And what does RVS mean? Been seeing that term brought up.
Random voting stage, people voting people for absurd or no reasons at all. For wagon analysis... Or something.

(Also, I think he was asking FTF to explain why it was weird for people to drop in for a post or two and then disappear.)

@Tainted
I find starpendle's tone pure. Am I wrong?
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RE said:
I don't know why you linked this post? The only post where I discuss activity as cause for suspicion is when I say I would have expected Kit, starpendle, and maybe ironace to have posted more by now.
It's where I got to wording something out of nothing. Okay, but my post wasn't directed at you specifically. You're not the only one suspecting activity.

RE said:
You seem overly defensive.
How am I defensive in excess? Are you comparing this to meta or personal opinion? I'll admit I'm being more aggressive, but that's as I think the current suspects are for poor reasons.

RE said:
You should note that my vote on you has nothing to do with activity but the content of the first post you made. I made this clear when I voted you.
I'm aware. However it didn't seem that was your only reason with how long you waited to vote from your initial post of suspicion. To me it seems you were reassured by the mutual suspicion of FTF and Jormandur. Who primarily seem to suspect my activity at the moment.

RE said:
About this - I think it's fair commentary and he should explain why it's weird because I don't think it's uncommon for this to happen on MU either. However on MU (the site FTF plays on) it's not unusual to post in such frequency. I'd find catch up posts that reply consecutively more scummy.
Being from MU can easily be used as an excuse.I'm not saying it is, but the possibility is there. Personally, it's not a heavy indicator of alignment, but I just simply dislike how it muddles up the game thread more than necessary. Making back reading and getting a sense for current debates all the more challenging. It's detrimental overall.
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I find it weird mainly because your first post was joke post to go along with mine, but then you show up afterward to being dead set to lynch Flush, not really saying much otherwise. I thought Flush's reads were fine since there was so little to go on to scumhunt at the time, though I feel like he should be the one replying to the rest.

Also I don't really know you or most of the people here, so I have no idea what your previous play is. And what does RVS mean? Been seeing that term brought up.
I never said I wanted to lynch Flush. I simply stated I disliked their posting habit and found their reasons for suspicion as poor. Largely as that was the only thing I felt relevant to add onto.

Personally I'm ready to hack them back up.
This was a play on Phrazes word choice. In that they were going to take the time to digest or think about Flush's play. I on the other hand had already made an opinion from the handful of posts already seen.

Though, this doesn't really explain why it is weird. Are you trying to say a tonal shift made it seem off?

RVS (Random Voting Stage) or the random voting done at the start of each mafia game by the majority. Personally I'm not a fan of such.
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RE said:

@Tainted
I find starpendle's tone pure. Am I wrong?
tone gets to u easily iirc. tho u have been 50/50 accurate so far, so fair enough.

also, when I mentioned how scum!Astros would play.. I said he would be more head-in-the-clouds. backreaders find fault in general, if scum, but I didn't limit that to Astros. (just remembered)
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Astros said:
RE said:
I don't know why you linked this post? The only post where I discuss activity as cause for suspicion is when I say I would have expected Kit, starpendle, and maybe ironace to have posted more by now.
It's where I got to wording something out of nothing. Okay, but my post wasn't directed at you specifically. You're not the only one suspecting activity.
But it was my post you linked? And it was an irrelevant one to what you were proposing.
RE said:
You seem overly defensive.
How am I defensive in excess? Are you comparing this to meta or personal opinion? I'll admit I'm being more aggressive, but that's as I think the current suspects are for poor reasons.
You defended your activity levels by bringing up your play in Bob's Burgers when that reasoning could only apply to me, and yet I said nothing about your activity.
RE said:
You should note that my vote on you has nothing to do with activity but the content of the first post you made. I made this clear when I voted you.
I'm aware. However it didn't seem that was your only reason with how long you waited to vote from your initial post of suspicion. To me it seems you were reassured by the mutual suspicion of FTF and Jormandur. Who primarily seem to suspect my activity at the moment.
I like holding off my reasoning time to time for my own amusement. I find it can sometimes attract scum.
My reply to Jor was impulsive, I had been considering all those players as suspects in my mind and was excited that someone else shared the idea. You and yurkin are correct though in that reasoning for his reads doesn't seem quite right (contradictory).
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About this - I think it's fair commentary and he should explain why it's weird because I don't think it's uncommon for this to happen on MU either. However on MU (the site FTF plays on) it's not unusual to post in such frequency. I'd find catch up posts that reply consecutively more scummy.
Being from MU can easily be used as an excuse.I'm not saying it is, but the possibility is there. Personally, it's not a heavy indicator of alignment, but I just simply dislike how it muddles up the game thread more than necessary. Making back reading and getting a sense for current debates all the more challenging. It's detrimental overall.
Which is why I found your first post scummy. You expressed intent to lynch over reasoning that is NAI. Though I think at the time I didn't realize what you meant by "something out of nothing."
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I find starpendle's tone pure. Am I wrong?
tone gets to u easily iirc. tho u have been 50/50 accurate so far, so fair enough.

also, when I mentioned how scum!Astros would play.. I said he would be more head-in-the-clouds. backreaders find fault in general, if scum, but I didn't limit that to Astros. (just remembered)
Phraze... Please don't misunderstand me. I have no intention of basing any read purely off of tone unless I have found it is an accurate tell for that player (Abu, yurkin, LanMisa). However I had a discussion with Tainted earlier on how he reads off tone (pure or not). Therefore I am asking him for his opinion.
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also, when I mentioned how scum!Astros would play.. I said he would be more head-in-the-clouds. backreaders find fault in general, if scum, but I didn't limit that to Astros. (just remembered)
Depending on how discussion with him goes (if I change my mind), I think it may be a reliable tell for him in particular. Normally I attribute objective commentary to scum but he does that as town frequently. So if that objective commentary turns into something resembling shade, then I will note it. I found his first post on FTF of that nature.
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But it was my post you linked? And it was an irrelevant one to what you were proposing.
Your post is #110 I linked #109 above it.

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You defended your activity levels by bringing up your play in Bob's Burgers when that reasoning could only apply to me, and yet I said nothing about your activity.
Half correct. That was the only mafia game of late or possibly ever where I played while having to work. It's the only game one can compare activity. Which is the leading reason for suspecting me. So while it was aimed at you, it's not exclusively.

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Which is why I found your first post scummy. You expressed intent to lynch over reasoning that is NAI. Though I think at the time I didn't realize what you meant by "something out of nothing."
Where did I say I wanted to lynch them? I merely said I disliked their playstyle and I believe their reasoning is poor. To the point that it's making something out of nothing. Activity, which is NAI.
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But it was my post you linked? And it was an irrelevant one to what you were proposing.
Your post is #110 I linked #109 above it.
OMG! You're right. I have no idea what happened there. My bad.
RE said:
You defended your activity levels by bringing up your play in Bob's Burgers when that reasoning could only apply to me, and yet I said nothing about your activity.
Half correct. That was the only mafia game of late or possibly ever where I played while having to work. It's the only game one can compare activity. Which is the leading reason for suspecting me. So while it was aimed at you, it's not exclusively.
The way I saw it, it wasn't a type of read directed at you particularly (others were guilty of it as well). So you wanted me to pay mind to a game that proved your activity levels were NAI when that was not the reason I found you scummy? Don't agree with the logic there, but probably not significant.
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Which is why I found your first post scummy. You expressed intent to lynch over reasoning that is NAI. Though I think at the time I didn't realize what you meant by "something out of nothing."
Where did I say I wanted to lynch them? I merely said I disliked their playstyle and I believe their reasoning is poor. To the point that it's making something out of nothing. Activity, which is NAI.
I took the wording here to mean you wanted to lynch/kill them:
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Flusher will take some time for me to digest
Personally I'm ready to hack them back up. Making [i]something[i] out of nothing and with a spam posting habit to boot. The latter is more detrimental than the former to town's play and yet they present both.
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This was a play on Phrazes word choice. In that they were going to take the time to digest or think about Flush's play. I on the other hand had already made an opinion from the handful of posts already seen.
Missed this, my bad.

vote: AbuHumaid
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OMG! You're right. I have no idea what happened there. My bad.
It probably was how it centered the page on your post instead of Flush's. That and due to them lacking an avatar it's very small post.

RE said:
The way I saw it, it wasn't a type of read directed at you particularly (others were guilty of it as well). So you wanted me to pay mind to a game that proved your activity levels were NAI when that was not the reason I found you scummy? Don't agree with the logic there, but probably not significant.
Originally, it wasn't. Not until you mentioned me and star alongside Abu did the read shift. That is the read that activity was linked to Mafia.

No. If you notice I mentioned Bob's Burgers before I addressed you or any of those from that game. It was to show an example of where I played similarly, yet was not mafia. Also it provided a source of meta for the new players. (Felt it'd be helpful with all the meta being thrown up. Too lazy to link it though.)

I'm aware that you voted for different reasons, you even discounted the lack of RVS as NAI. However, I wanted to address both reasons for suspicion and didn't consider you very confident in your stated reasons for voting. (Was also tilted.)

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I took the wording here to mean you wanted to lynch/kill them:
Yeah, I assumed that might be the case from Star's reaction so I clarified it here. #236

Edit: Removed ] after #236
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ehh ok

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this might be one of those against-the-flow posts from me:

possible town
RE - haven't seen her scumgame yet, but emotional player? shouldn't be that hard.
Abu - bold entrance and consistent posts later. he understands me from prev game aka not opportunistic in my book.
Astros - he's sorting ppl fmpov
Bajar - very independent unlike prev game
Yurkin - I tend to townread them, so yeah.

suspicious so far
FTF - part based on association with a town!Abu, part based on my observation that his posts stirs without objective. we have a resident fluff-poster in Shinichi-kun, so that isn't tooo new to me. his post when coming back looked coast'ish tho
Jormandur - readlist looks elementary. why does no-opinion mean not-in-lynch-option? the way he rvs'd me looked rolefishy, and even tho passed off as a joke, said I seemed to be hiding something? hope I'm not remembering readlist wrongly cuz mobile typing
Ironace - gonna need to reread him. the fact his only major post here was to suspect Abu is.. suspicious to me.

those not listed are up in the air for me. list isn't definite, just observations (before ppl misunderstand suspect for scumread again)
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Abu/yurkin - not aligned based on #198 (light feeling)

Liking yurkin's response in #217. Actually like her responses to Jor as a whole.
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can u explain why Abu is suspicious to u? I think his hesitation here could be due to the prev game, and before, wherein his bulldozing wasn't helpful to town.
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No. If you notice I mentioned Bob's Burgers before I addressed you or any of those from that game. It was to show an example of where I played similarly, yet was not mafia. Also it provided a source of meta for the new players. (Felt it'd be helpful with all the meta being thrown up. Too lazy to link it though.)
In that case, it may be an indicator of you being town. Weak, but I think scum would be a bit more reluctant to offer past meta.
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can u explain why Abu is suspicious to u? I think his hesitation here could be due to the prev game, and before, wherein his bulldozing wasn't helpful to town.
He complained about nobody being around yet his own contributions weren't great. I asked for reads and he focused solely on the scum (scum don't need to find town, they need to find town they can push as scum). The main factor is him thinking my scum game improved. I disagree, and of all people, he should as well.

I also feel boldness isn't AI for him. He has claimed scum as scum more than once.

(My confidence is around ~37%)
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maybe a more accurate way to describe Ironace's post is, sheeping opinions. he usually sheeps, but tends to chime in with his opinion as town. didn't see that here.
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